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Arguing the fact thyself cannot argue.

Posted by Insanctuary - March 4th, 2014


I never did seem to understand why so many people believe that winning an argument is based on arguing the distension rather than the discussion. If your feelings are imploding based on the context and interactivity of the discussion, then it's blatant enough to understand who is stagnating and who is sensible... If your feelings are hurt, or your body is convulging from the obscene level of force, then this doesn't mean that what caused it is a falsification -- in fact, it's quite the opposite. Thinking being offended equates to being the victim is very counter-intuitive. Anyone that spends more time arguing their lack of position in an argument is clearly losing upon their engagement. Nobody -- nobody -- that actually understands the heart of the discussion will ever argue about the difficulty between one and the other, as to imply that its hopeless between them and the other; they would address it formally and intellectually. The whole "you hurt my feelings", is essentially "truth hurts" -- if it wasn't "true", in the slightest degree, it would have NO EFFECT, however it does because there's a correlation between what hurts you, and yourself. Therefore, arguing is not about "rationalizing" -- it's about "reasoning" -- something only few people in this world have gained the intellectual privilege to take responsibility in. The rest are simply children, or children in "matured bodies" that want to believe they have things figured out; the moment they based their argument upon absence rather than presence, is the moment their misconstructivity defines them more than constructivity. If you have gone so far beyond the "balance" state of being, and it comes to the point that everything that isn't you, defines you, it's verily certain that you're a black hole that should have no influence or inspiration on anybody, if you can't even influence or inspire yourself, hence why you're always arguing people to reassure yourself and fill in your holes again, just like sex and greed.


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Well... it's hard to argue faith, because it's blind. Only so much info available.... Is faith bad? I don't think so.

But, yeah, I see your point about emotion entering a debate. Some people don't want a debate or psychoanalyzed (though it may be what they need, not what they want). No use in being anal over semantics, when parts of the subject matter are subjective. Parents are supposed to teach kids about the things in life that matter, not the State or the mass media. Idk....

I was thinking about that to myself the other night. "Is faith really that bad? Or is it the common things faith is associated to that turns me spiteful towards it?" When I want to do something I know I have no way in proving will succeed, I am applying "faith" in a way; like when I was younger and trusted myself to survive my daredevil ways, I was "faithful" of myself. That faith didn't steer me away from reason or axiomatic assessments, so faith must be like any other trait that can only be bad if irresponsibly used.

You're correct in understanding my point -- this is, indeed, about how people don't want to debate or be under psycho-analysis. But it's needed to come into grips with the person and their mind, full-circle. People do it when their with a partner, parents do it with their child, but when it comes to a discussion between two 'strangers', "you're my mortal enemy if you debate or psycho-analyze me". When this attitude is observed in politicians, bullies at school or anyone abusing power, you know that this attitude is counter-intuitive and is there to prevent progression.

It's easy to hurt someone's feelings when arguing, because you could already be arguing against something the other holds close to them. If they realize it means less than they value it to be, it will hurt; it becomes problematic when they equate the hurt feelings with you. You are not hurting them, it is them realizing the loss of value and placing the blame on you. It is disappointing, and turns the argument toward another goal which was not to be in place when it began. Suddenly it can be shifted from the original purpose to trying to mend their feelings or becoming worse by saying it's not about their feelings, which displaces it even more so.

Feelings are so...touchy feely.

...Well written assessment.